There is no indication of how the scaling was done, but I would guess the method was to assume the front disk is 320mm (as labelled), and then scale all the other lengths from there. As long as the disk really is 320mm and the circle now overlaying it was very carefully adjusted, this would be a pretty good approach if the author relied on tools in the drawing software to measure each line.
The metric wheelbase figure in the diagram (1455mm) works out to 57.3 inches, and the seat height to 31.7. Not bad.
By contrast, the GRiSO has a 1544mm/61.2 inch wheelbase, nearly four inches longer. If the scaling of the diagram is about right, the Mandello must be quite a bit lighter than the GRiSO too.
It turns out the GRiSO and the V100 both have 120/70 front tires on 17 inch rims. To get a better idea of the relative scales I superimposed a side view of the GRiSO on the earlier V100 side view, matching up the sizes of the front tires. You have to look closely: the GRiSO is in front of the V100. Note the different seating positions and wheelbases, for example.
Here is a different version, with the GRiSO now transparent. Here you have to look even closer to see both the GRiSO and V100 cylinders superimposed. The V100's cylinder is substantially farther forward, putting more weight on the front wheel I suppose. Note that the top of the GRiSO's red gas tank is lower than the black top of the V100 tank. Etc.
But the more I see, the more I like this bike. And its sound is really very nice. With the claimed 115 hp, it will pull nicely.
But I suspect that those movable wings are mostly a gimmick. And I am still puzzled by those headers that are now 'siders'; they require an almost obligatory engine guard which will make the bike very wide indeed...
I was expecting a tiny bit more horsepower (say, 125hp or so), but it will be the tractability of the torque and power curves (and overall weight) that will determine how it will ride I suppose.
Interesting comments about the location/angle of the shaft drive that allegedly negates the need for a reactive rod thinghy.......await Mr Roper to enter the stage to tear that argument to shreds!
I was expecting a tiny bit more horsepower (say, 125hp or so), but it will be the tractability of the torque and power curves (and overall weight) that will determine how it will ride I suppose.
Interesting comments about the location/angle of the shaft drive that allegedly negates the need for a reactive rod thinghy.......await Mr Roper to enter the stage to tear that argument to shreds!
Where's the popcorn emoji?
I, for one, would absolutely love to have the rear suspension on this model explained to me.
Only two things really turning me off on this bike, one is the colour gameboy taped to the handlebars. When I'm on a bike, the last thing I want is ANOTHER fricking computer screen in front of me...
And the other is the rear suspension. I don't get it.
all yours Mr Roper....
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Moto Guzzi V100 Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:35 am
Scrolling back through this thread... @JanGuzzi (Fri Apr 30, 2021) That Nuovo Galletto looks good
Its potential depends on Piaggio's product differentiation strategy...Do they want to maximise each brand at the risk of inter-brand competition like BSA - Triumph and VAG or are they focussing each brand. See Piaggio Group Linky Piaggio & Vespa are clearly the scooters, Aprilia are sports bikes Derbi are off road, Scarabeo looks like it is already in the Galletto market and Guzzi is adv tourers and retro.
But Gilera looks mixed so they may allow different focus inside brands
Oz1200Guzzi Don Abbondio
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Subject: Re: Moto Guzzi V100 Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:27 am
Moto Guzzi is celebrating its second century by unveiling the long-awaited heir to the legendary V7: the new V100 Mandello. This promises to be a superb machine, one that makes Moto Guzzi a real player in the European motorcycling scene. The bike retains the classic Guzzi 90-degree transverse V-twin layout, but is new in every other aspect and promises to be a thoroughly modern, well-engineered, well-thought-out, and inspired machine right down to the minor details.
Overall, the new V100 Mandello is compact and svelte. It looks great just parked, with the promise of both lively performance and long-haul comfort in the best Moto Guzzi tradition. Its 58.5-inch wheelbase is short enough to deliver agile steering response alongside adequate two-up comfort. The rear suspension uses a rather long single-sided aluminum swingarm with a single cantilevered shock absorber. Naturally, the design incorporates Guzzi’s classic shaft final drive.
This new-generation Guzzi engine is extremely advanced, starting with its extremely compact packaging; the engine’s overall length is 4 inches less than Guzzi’s “small block” V85. This also explains why the V100 can feature such a long swingarm in combination with the short wheelbase. Weight distribution, as you’d expect, is duly biased to the front axle, a design element that was difficult to achieve with the V7, and which is generally a challenge for any bike with a longitudinal powertrain.
The liquid-cooled V100 unit displaces 1,048cc from a 96mm bore and 72mm stroke. Chain-driven double overhead cams act on four valves per cylinder. Guzzi claims 115 peak horsepower with 77.5 pound-feet of peak torque; that torque curve must be extremely flat, since 90 percent of it already shows up at just 3,500 rpm, and redline is at 9,500.
Chassis-wise, the new V100 uses a steel-tube frame with the engine as a stressed member; note that this is not a full-cradle perimeter design. Suspension consists of electronically managed Öhlins Smart EC 2.0 components.
The electronics suite is the most advanced ever fit to a Moto Guzzi, clearly taking advantage of the great progress Aprilia has made in this domain. In the V100 Mandello this translates to a six-axis inertial platform managing a number of functions, including cornering ABS, traction control, cruise control, and four riding modes (Travel, Sport, Rain, and Road) with three engine mappings apiece. The electronics also include both up and down quick shifting, heated grips, full LED lighting equipment with adaptive headlight, and a 5-inch TFT instrument panel. Bluetooth connectivity allows access via personal smartphone to the bike’s MIA multimedia platform.
In a nod toward the V100 Mandello’s long-haul capability, the bike offers active aerodynamics that engage the compact windscreen and spoilers to divert the windblast away from rider and passenger. The bike’s styling is contemporary; not particularly strong in terms of personality, but smooth overall. The centre and rear sections have a fluid design that takes advantage of the classic Guzzi cylinder layout, and the elegant fuel tank offers an additional touch of Moto Guzzi personality.
Just saying...
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janguzzi Tiradritto
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Subject: Re: Moto Guzzi V100 Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:47 am
I think Luigi has fucked up the translation
https://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/v100-mandello/
Quote :
Lively and responsive Just a turn of the throttle and you will feel the force of this bike's fierce, dynamic character, courtesy of 115 horsepower and a superior torque of 105 Nm at 9500 rpm, ready to give its all even at lower speeds, for an exhilarating ride on any surface or in any conditions.
https://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/v100-mandello/
Quote :
Brillante ed elastica Da quando l'accendi percepisci il suo carattere forte, grintoso e dinamico grazie ai suoi oltre 115 CV di potenza e una coppia superiore ai 105 Nm, con il 90% disponibile già da 3500 giri/min e il limitatore fissato a ben 9500 giri/min. Per darti il massimo fin dai bassi regimi e un’esperienza di guida entusiasmante su tutti i tipi di percorso.
Pawel Spoon Grignapoco
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Subject: Re: Moto Guzzi V100 Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:27 am
Subject: Hoping to see it in the flesh at EIcma Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:23 pm
Heading to Milan tomorrow and going to Eicma bike show on Friday, so looking forward to seeing the V100 in the flesh and hopefully allowed to sit on it to see if it fits,
The hype sheets are claiming “The new bike also features a single sided alloy swingarm but it’s positioned much lower than on any previous models, doing away with any torque reaction.”
Time will tell but I am inclined to believe that they must have put a fair bit of development into this because if it doesn’t work as good as our 8v’s then that would be a costly mistake,
But I don’t remember having any issues with my FJR without a reaction rod, many years ago🧐(unless of course you dropped her through the gear too quick)