Moto Guzzi V100

sideshowbob wrote:

I think if the pipes weren't such a contrast to the engine it would help. Blacken the engine or lighten the pipes.

This. A black engine would look much better.

More *Evidence* I think that something more exciting may be in the pipeline. Once again the parallels with the B11's launch can be observed.

I'm with the other oddballs, the more I look at this bike, the more I *really* dig it. It's the first (somewhat) touring looking thing I've ever seen that I would consider buying. It could be a potentially solid mount for 2-3 day rides to the coast with some luggage (or a child) on the back. Let's hope they nailed the practical aspects such as headlights and wind protection.

Absolutely eager to know more about the machinery, as Pete mentioned the rear drive/swingarm aspect raises questions. I also agree that given water cooling the engine is mainly a nod to tradition, although, it should still sound amazing and retain some of the other unique characteristics of the configuration. I'm not a fan of having a tablet for instrumentation, even if it's a more efficient means of delivering data.

Perhaps it's a masterpiece of form follows function, which can be endearing despite initial appearances. I can understand the bitter comparisons to a Bandit or Transalp, though those bikes have some good practical qualities, and the Guzzi will sound and look much better, while likely having an excellent electronics/safety suite.  

Anyway, I just hope the platform is technically sound, and that we'll see some fascinating future variants and good sales

Can't wait for the V110. That would be the Aprilia v4 turned sideways.

The more I see of this, the more there is to like, and may indeed be a case of needing to see it in the flesh.

It is without doubt a sports-tourer, which is itself an odd choice given that it will be in a market segment on its own!
This is a very bold move for a motorcycle company, bucking against the current trends of adventure or naked bikes. Power, torque, and weight will be so important, we await with bated breath.

The green premium version, has Ohlins semi-active suspension front and rear.
There’s an electrically operated screen which appears to be automatically controlled on speed ie. down at low speed, and raised at higher speed.
What are the flaps / winglets in the sides of the front fairing? They appear to be some sort of dynamic control of airflow?

November 23rd @ EICMA for the full info

Bob

I like the colour of the green/silver. But that's me. I have always been a non-conformist, anyway - here I sit with a V85TT Travel and a Sport - not a GRiSO in sight. Though they are welcome to park in my garage - bring your owners GRiSOs!

A mixed bag for me. The appearance is a bit too Yamaha TDM 900 for me. It looks like it might make a good tourer, however.

Sticking to the transverse 90 degree v-twin can only be attributed to wanting to stay traditional. It has no value in a water cooled engine. Using an existing Aprilia V2 or V4 would have made more sense. I don't hate it, nor am I swooning like most of the FB posts are. Its nothing special in the realm of the modern motorcycle, and truthfully will probably not outperform your (likely) much cheaper Yamaha or Suzuki equivalent.

I won't be buying one. The GRiSO is my last motorcycle.

Art is sooo subjective. I think it looks pretty cool. I like the wedginess others find so objectionable and I really dig the wheels.

I won't be parting with my GRiSO either, but I think the Mandello has a lot going for it style-wise. Having an adjustable, design-integrated fairing is a smart move in my opinion. It looks intentional and it eliminates the endless discussion we've all had about what fairing looks and works best on the GRiSO. And those wheels are very sexy.

For me this seems to be a successor of the Breva/Norge but better looking.
I am curious for the technical specs now especially the weight.
A longer swingarm/position of the shock also makes me wonder but isn't this more ore less the same principle they have used for the V85TT?

I am not sure if this is the right section, but I'd like to have your opinions about newly announced V100 Mandello.
Since all of the technical detailes will be announced in EICMA 2021, it looks like have water cooled 1030cc engine  delivering 115 HP with all the well known electronics.
How did you like the design?
What are your thougts about watercooled engine?
How did you find active wind canals and adjustable front screen?
Öhlins semi-active suspensions?
From V85TT to V7 850 and finally V100 Mandello, Do you think Guzzi is changing its skin?

Cheers
Onur

Engine? Apart from the silliness of keeping the transverse V looks very interesting but apart from it being a DOHC design we know not a lot about it. Water cooling good!

Clutch? Wet multiplate. Easy to get to.

Gearbox? Need to know more. Most importantly where the hell is it? Under crank? Behind?

Final drive? Doesn't seem to be reactive. Fail.

Screen and winglets? Stupid shit that will go wrong. Hate.

Active suspension? Adds a lot of cost for something most owners won't use and works on algorithms aimed at mediocrity. Dross.

Styling! I personally hate it, especially forward of the steering head. Thing is it isn't aimed at me, I won't be buying one. I hope they sell squillions of them. It's certainly a zillion times better and more exciting than the bloody V85.

Probably. But this is a motor making 40 more rear wheel HP and, hopefully, bulk torque. Without a reactive rear drive it'll lock its suspension under acceleration and loose traction on down changes unless it has some very, very clever torque control on downchanges.

The whole point of a reactive drive is to separate the drive and suspension forces. Without it you have problems and the higher the power and torque the geater those problems become.

It does have a long swingarm which will help, but it's still a half arsed effort. Ditch the winglets and electronic junk and give it a reactive drive.

Pete Roper wrote:

Without a reactive rear drive it'll lock its suspension under acceleration and loose traction on down changes

A dumb question......I realise that the addition of Semi-Active Suspension doesn't separate drive & suspension, but could it go some way to alleviating this?

I, sort of, like it. It’s about time for a bigger motor. Probably not aimed at the median age group of “the ghetto” subscribers.i still want a bike with a round headlight........

No, active/semi active suspension is a farkle to sell shit to lazy peasants who'll brag about it and never use it. Even if they do the algorithms that drive it are aimed at mediocrity. I fart on its head!

It’s growing on me, and as Pete says far better than the strange styling of the V85. I like the introduction of a DOHC water cooled engine, but the proposed output of 115hp doesn’t cut the mustard for a modern water cooled twin these days.
The wheels look stunning. As regards the semi-active suspension, then it’s a modern necessity for a multi role bike ie. Sports-Tourer. In fairness with the Ohlins they’ve gone quality over expense on this.
There are no modern road only Sports-Tourers, the competition as such tends to be adventure tourers; Multistrada, S1000XR, with similar suspension but a lot more power.  Niche market??

Here's some pictures:





My opinion. Big step up from the V85. Looks wise I'm thinking, it's mostly okey. Not the most exciting but all right. I dislike how the exhaust is on the right side and how the muffler looks. Also not a big fan of the front fairing. But yeah not too bad. Also black header pipes (YAY!) but a silver engine (BOOOOH!)
However the engine is going to be the basis of several different models, so hopefully we'll see something more exciting in the near future!

We have already two threads here:
https://www.grisoghetto.com/f6-the-darkened-recess

I think that overall i like it.

It is a bit universal bland and will no doubt have more computer interference than i want...- but if you want a popular brand that survives - they need to sell something to the masses.

The radiator is fairly unobtrusive and I particularly like the side exhausts because that should give internal intakes allowing the single choke efi that the accountants want with shortish inlets giving quicker throttle response than the v85tt.

I agree that not having a reactive drive hub may compromise suspension conttrol - but then Yamaha never bothered on their XJ & XS ranges and no one complained

"New" factory/facilities in the works, to-boot:
https://ridermagazine.com/2021/09/10/moto-guzzi-announces-a-new-factory-museum-and-v100-mandello/

This looks like a nice plan and it’s great they are investing in their future. But they’d best get cracking on an electric motorcycle or their green sales pitch won’t fool many.

The swingarm certainly appears massive compared to the V85 (which, on one hand, you would expect given the difference in output), and the shock mounts comparatively far forward--perhaps some trickery around the area of the lower shock mount (operating a more hidden CARC like mechanism?). I may be stoned, but I'm hoping this is the case, as I agree it would otherwise appear to be an unfortunate design choice.

One of the joys of owning the GRiSO, for me, is the ease of maintenance.

What do you think this new machine will be like ?

If the current crop of E5 machines is anything to go by (V85TT Travel I have) there is intended to be "frequent" updates to either the ECU (in my case the 11MP) and the dash. Apparently this is only available through PADS.

I would imagine other maintenance items will also be (initially anyway) difficult in the first instance. Looking at the close up photos of the gearbox, there doesn't appear to be a large flywheel and the fact it has a wet clutch (did I read that right?), says the design is a whole new ball game.

We need to wait until the more liberal dealers get their hands on one to ascertain what really will be the case.

Others have speculated on the reaction arm - my bet is it's internal to the swing arm - but what the heck would I know!