Just noted that the final drive is on the same side as the rear disc rotor - so when the bevel box leaks, oil goes over the brakes before getting to the rim & tyre. I wonder if they doing something about that. Just picking holes. Mostly waiting for the specs in Nov, & real life models in a year - only as a matter of idle curiosity, of course.
Beforehand if the bevel box, started leaking, you mightn't notice it until it saturated the tyre. Then you be lying on the pavement.
With the new V100, you will lose your rear brake first. I'd rather have this as I would notice it, and 80% of the stopping power is with the front brakes anyway.
I've had CARC oil spill all over my rear brake, it was a surprise but not life threatening.
Struggling to see any real "crossover" design elements here. The front forks don't appear to be any longer than a typical road bike, and I personally wouldn't be going anywhere near gravel/loose surfaces with tyres that are in effect grooved slicks.
Nonetheless, I'm keen to see it in the flesh. Whilst I do enjoy my GRiSO's charms, it's been more than once I'd wished for 40kgs or so less weight, some basic safety features like ABS, and perhaps a touch more touring friendliness. Am I likely to trade the GRiSO for a V100?.....probably not. It'd want to get some bloody good ride reviews and have a comfortable riding position etc. The "ride away" price in Aussie Pesos could break the argument before it's even started too.
tsheep2 GRiSO Capo
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Subject: 100th anniversary bike by MG Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:06 pm
So i was trolling through the interweb and find a blurb, Motoguzzi's 100th anniversary bike.
Urrrm....i think i've discovered i'm a retro person or old school or is it outdated ??
So MG (piaggio) are throwing out this eerrrmm bike with meh styling and exhaust headers that exit where the plug used to be !
Oh dear...this is to celebrate MG.....!!!
Why why why..... can't we just have a watercooled MGS01 that would take a passenger and be road legal ???????
I'll pre-order that one thanks.
Or how about working on water cooling for the entire range of MG ?
Price is something that we haven't even touched on in Oz but I'm thinking if it isn't a whisker under $30k on the road I'll be very surprised. Peter Steven's won't have any parts, not even service stuff and none of the official dealers will have anybody with even a quarter of a clue to work on them.
I'm going to have to work on getting my PADS updated somehow.......
The architecture of the heads is just how it has to be if you retain the longitudinal crank and move to a far more efficient double overhead cam timing format. It also means they can go to a much betterer downdraft induction system.
Look. I like the motive unit, I hate the styling and am suspicious of cost cutting in the final drive but time will tell.
Subject: Re: Moto Guzzi V100 Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:00 am
yes....couldn't find them.
so how does the GS develop so much power and how does the v-rod get soooo much grunt. still....i wouldn't turn down the power of the mgs01....120hp.....yes please vicar.
Great weather today so was using a fair bit of my 90-95hp :-)
The GRiSO is sooo much fun !!
Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Moto Guzzi V100 Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:23 am
The MGS01 makes an alleged 120+ by being in an absurdly high state of tune to the degree that you are expected to throw large parts of it away on a regular basis.
It was a ridiculously opulent excess built with no constraints other than the mechanical possibilities twenty years ago and designed by a race bike designer from the 1950's.
Sure irs pretty. It is also utterly irrelevant and not just now but when it was built, (In stupidly small, capital wasting, numbers.).
Hopefully we'll see something more exciting built around the V100 platform. Also hopefully it won't try and ape the MGS01.
Nobody is going to take your *Old* toys away. The way forward though has to be an alternative to fossil fuels. I don't expect E vehicles to be the 'End Solution' but they may buy the boffins enough time to develop better alternative technologies.
What might they be? I have no idea! But large supra-orbital lobes in our brains and opposable thumbs have allowed us to get out of some pretty tight corners before and have given, at least some of us, a standard of living and quality of life that would be the envy of any previous generation.
Digging ones heels in, sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting 'LA-LA-LA' very loudly won't make the problems of fossil fuels, (Not just their environmental impact but the obvious fact they are FINITE!) go away.
If we don't embrace the new we will, within a couple of generations, be back living in caves! If indeed the planet is still inhabitable and has anything living on it apart from humans and food sources for them!
Do you really think your enjoyment of 'Vroom-Vroom' noises is worth that?
Sumbody drank the coolaide ;-) Of all the 10-15 factors that effect global climate cycles, humans can only influence maybe 2-3. NO argument about the need to be cleaner and responsible, but while we putz around with passenger vehicles, and wring our hands, just 10-15 of those giant freighter tankers put out more Co2 than all passenger vehicles combined, and let's talk to China, Africa and India about their emissions before continuing to strangle the western and developed nations. Just my .01 cause we have way to much c02 ;-)
IMO the transverse cylinders are what make a Guzzi a Guzzi. The water cooling does negate the need for the exposed cylinders but you can't beat the easy access for valve adjustments. If they ever tuck the cylinders inside like everyone else (except a BMW boxer) then they will look like every other bike on the road. It's a style thing. You either like it or you don't. An e-guzzi will be interesting to see. Maybe they're planning one but waiting for the next generation of compact batteries. I know I don't want to be limited to 150 mile range.
If/When they do this, the emotor should be down where the crank is, and the jugs should be the battery packs. Too easy to program a pulse into the e-motor...... I'd also like to see them keep gears and transmission. A buddy of mine is working on a tesla motor and battery into his mid year 911 (82) and he is keeping the transmission, clutch etc. It is going to be a wicked fun car.
Questions to Piaggio are unnecessary. The V100 Mandello is officially presented at EICMA and this also means that the technical data will only be available then.
To the 2. This engine was developed about 10 years ago and has matured over the last few years. It is a development from the Guzzi era, which was further refined at Piaggio. The engine has had enough time to mature. The entire performance is highly professional.
However, the V100 Mandello was not only developed for the "old farts" of Moto Guzzi riders, a large part of whom will not buy it anyway. It will be important that the motorcyclist likes it, that the press is enthusiastic after the test rides and that it is accepted by the buyer.
I am absolutely convinced that it will be very well received and will be another important success for Moto Guzzi after the V85.
It's shapely, slim and that's what a new Moto Guzzi should look like in 2022.
Bmw will never be able to create such a great design.
Greetings Holger
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I have been hoping that Moto Guzzi produces a sport touring bike, as much as I love the GRiSO, it does not just does not seem like a good bike for long distances, at least not for me. I feared they would try to stay with air cooled motors and have to keep shrinking them down and les and less power to meet Euro standards, so glad to see liquid cooling. Reading the posts I hope the fears of a lack of torque control are not true. The purpose of the flaps intrigue me. A video I watched suggested they where to make the half fairing act more like a full fairing, but to me they are too far back for that. if they are some kind of MotoGP semi-inspired aero then I have to think total fail, but I can't imagine that. Most likely to me seems like it might be to get warm air from the motor up behind the fairing, but I have to think there are easier less gimicy ways to achieve that. I kind of hope that it is to enlarge the fairing as it seems the only idea that would be worth it, as long as it works.
I tend to like fancy headlights, to me it is too square to much like a HD Roadglide headlight. I wish it was more like the V85TT headlight with the eagle on it.
If the projected 130HP is correct and it has some Torque control I may consider it, I hope the suspension would not need upgrading to carry a passenger.
115 is the HP I keep hearing, cycle world article.
I would find 115 horses a disappointing number. The complete performance figures would need to include torque, and weight, which are unknown.
Comparable bikes are hard to find, but concentrating on modern water cooled twins: The BMW R1250GS would be an interesting target @ 136hp & 143Nm, weighing in at more than the GRiSO’s 240kg. As such the performance green / silver version with 1000cc should be just below that territory.
Ducati Multistrada V2 1200 @ 150hp & 118Nm with about 220kg curb weight.
Both of the above bikes are tourers albeit with pretensions at chunky off-roading. The V100 has to compete in their marketplace, but the young pretender has 200cc less and years of development and refinement to be getting on with. Old GRiSO owners, and other traditional Guzzisti are not its intended market. If it doesn’t find a new generation of Guzzisti, Mandello del Lario with become little more than a museum.
115 is the HP I keep hearing, cycle world article.
I would find 115 horses a disappointing number. The complete performance figures would need to include torque, and weight, which are unknown.
Comparable bikes are hard to find, but concentrating on modern water cooled twins: The BMW R1250GS would be an interesting target @ 136hp & 143Nm, weighing in at more than the GRiSO’s 240kg. As such the performance green / silver version with 1000cc should be just below that territory.
Ducati Multistrada V2 1200 @ 150hp & 118Nm with about 220kg curb weight.
Both of the above bikes are tourers albeit with pretensions at chunky off-roading. The V100 has to compete in their marketplace, but the young pretender has 200cc less and years of development and refinement to be getting on with. Old GRiSO owners, and other traditional Guzzisti are not its intended market. If it doesn’t find a new generation of Guzzisti, Mandello del Lario with become little more than a museum.
Bob
HP's and even Nm's doesn't say anything. I have a KTM 990 Adv with 95Hp and 95Nm and that is a beast of a machine. (and scares me when offroading ) It all depends where they put that power and how it feels when you ride it. I rather have a 95HP beast than a 150hp that feels like a sluggish snail.
All supposition at this stage - a bit like the "guess the number of smarties in a very large jar.
Folks it's not long till November and I would imagine that it would be all clearer then.
Another thing we need to be aware of, is what is it like to ride, tour, twisties, race etc. Until someone gets their hand on one, we are all playing guess-o-metrics.
Subject: Re: Moto Guzzi V100 
Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:30 pm
) It all depends where they put that power and how it feels when you ride it. I rather have a 95HP beast than a 150hp that feels like a sluggish snail.