Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:58 pm
Pete Roper wrote:
Oh yes. You can kiss goodbye to luggage!
Thing is when I tour nowadays on the GRiSO I'm always travelling light. The trip I did in 2010 on Pinko up the West Coast of the US with Chuck I carried everything I needed, plus Navigator and a laptop, in a tail bag and the 'Big' Guzzi tank bag.
If I want to carry more junk I take the Mana which has enough luggage space to carry bound volumes of every edition of Hansard since federation!
Pete
You might be able to get away with a Ventura luggage system after mounting those cans...
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2013 MOTO GUZZI STELVIO 1200NTX - Orange Blossom Special
Landman Grignapoco
Posts : 101 Join date : 2013-08-27 Age : 48
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:54 pm
Aside from the cost I would seriously consider the twin cans, except I don't like the looks of the new tail, it just seems to square and doesn't have the right line. The search continues...
DungeonMaster GRiSO
Posts : 1163 Join date : 2013-11-26 Age : 61
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:26 pm
My "good friend" Sean sent me a link to that sidecar a few weeks ago but I am unable to upload pics (yes Steak, I checked my settings you mentioned. they are correct but still no go) I really wanted to post the sidecar after I mentioned the idea of putting fishtails on a GRiSO. I bet they would mount up just like the pair of mufflers above. No more luggage.
But they would be UGLY.
DM
Grisonut GRiSO
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Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:45 am
Man, will you stop!! I was looking at that as well (the Bose system if it's the one in the picture) but it ain't cheap and negates saddle bags... The BEST looking system by far!! The right side pipe from Todd's was good looking too I agree
Steak Godfather
Posts : 3154 Join date : 2013-05-28 Age : 59
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:50 am
ZARD Customizable slip-on exhaust
The ZARD is interesting because they have multiple configuration options to suit your taste. Here is link to the ZARD website describing all of the options available. While I have never seen a GRiSO here in the Seattle area with a ZARD exhaust, I was admittedly interested in trying one out before I bought the ARROW exhaust.
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They are also readily available on eBay: GRiSO + ZARD search
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Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
Posts : 10711 Join date : 2013-05-29 Age : 67
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:57 am
Mark S. Has one of those on his 1200. Runs it with the dB killer and Beetle's map. Seems to be satisfactory. Mind you he rode to Western Australia from the East Coast last year and his bike was faultless so obviously its a bit of shit! ;D
Pete
Phang Biondino
Posts : 214 Join date : 2013-11-22 Age : 52
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:54 am
My G8VSE is a MY2009 model with A5 engine.
The ZARD on my bike is a street legal model with CAT and dB killer and it didn't run right with the stock fueling, lots of misfiring and abrupt respond at small throttle openings until Pete helped me to load the 68S map.
The satin black ceramic coating holds up extremely well after 4 years / 14,500km (9,000 miles). It looks as new as it came out from the box 4 years ago, no scratches, no discolouration or other paint defects.
If termignoni has a black version, I may consider it as I wanted a black muffler for my GRiSO SE. Other than that, I am very happy with the ZARD.
Guzziboy66 Grignapoco
Posts : 146 Join date : 2013-07-26 Age : 57
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:49 am
What about Agostini Mandelo?
Available in the US from Matthews Fun Machines
They don't show everything available from Agostini, but theoretically they should be able to get anything available from the Agostini Mother Ship
I'm kind of fond of this one: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Eric
WCB Biondino
Posts : 286 Join date : 2013-10-19
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:06 pm
That's pretty sexy. I like it.
wardest Grignapoco
Posts : 193 Join date : 2014-04-30 Age : 55
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 3:48 am
The muffler above is available in Australia. Its even on the Moto Guzzi au web site as an option. MOTO GUZZI OZ LINK Does anyone know how it performs? Flat spots etc Does it work with the maps created by the geniuses on this site?
I asked the service guys about after market pipes on the GRiSO. I was told " the 2012 and on have a smart ECU that adjusts to the new pipe? Is there any truth to this or do the later models have a better factory map? I have my doubts
How loud is the Agostini pipe? . I have heard the Termi pipe and in built up areas, and apartments I can't see you making to many friends with that fitted especially on a 5 am shift start.
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Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 4:09 am
Give me a call tomorrow and I'll talk you through it. I also won't try and sell you anything. I can supply but you can buy from whoever you like.
0417 462 440
Pete
beetle GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 5:15 am
wardest wrote:
Does anyone know how it performs? Flat spots etc Does it work with the maps created by the geniuses on this site?
If it has a catcon and a dB killer it will work. Even if it doesn't, I reckon I can make it work.
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I asked the service guys about after market pipes on the GRiSO. I was told " the 2012 and on have a smart ECU that adjusts to the new pipe? Is there any truth to this or do the later models have a better factory map? I have my doubts
Hmm. The short is answer is: 'Sort of', and 'no'.
All Grisos have the Marelli 5AM ECU. Even the prehistoric Grisos made prior to 2012 have it. Yes, even the ancient 1100. The ECU does have a limited trim function that can update the map with a new or different pipe, but it can't cope with radical changes (due to narrowband sensor and other factors). The trim table is volatile and will reset if power is disconnected from the ECU.
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Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 11:18 am
Yup, last change to the mapping was the GRS8V-03 in 2010. Its OK but you wouldn't want to take it home to meet your mum.
Pete
wardest Grignapoco
Posts : 193 Join date : 2014-04-30 Age : 55
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 6:49 pm
Pete, Mark. Thanks for the prompt input. Fantastic stuff. I had looked over the Illustrated parts list for the bike and could not see any change or alternate part number for the ECU, albeit the IPC is a down load so not sure how accurate. I am keen to make my bike look and sound better, with so much choice and the prices of Pipes in OZ it's a decision I want to get right. Plus I have to do about 30 - 40 mins city riding to even see an open road, losing low and mid range power is not an option.
I guess its the wrong thread for this question. Is there an option of a wide band (after market) sensor to fit to allow the ECU to trim or is the ECU just not "smart" enough?
With that said ..
I have read everything I can re tuning etc on GRiSO Ghetto. Have ordered USB OBD leads and have an old laptop ready to go.
Pete Will be in contact today.
Mike
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beetle GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 7:06 pm
wardest wrote:
I guess its the wrong thread for this question. Is there an option of a wide band (after market) sensor to fit to allow the ECU to trim or is the ECU just not "smart" enough?
The ECU is more than capable, it's just not programmed (nor wired) to do it. We can turn the lambda trim function on/off, but we can't modify what the ECU does with it. So we switch it off and modify the map instead.
There are ways to use a wideband sensor with the ECU, but it requires one of them Power Commander thingies (boo! hiss!) or equivalent black box of doom.
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Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 10:10 pm
Mark and I are unimpressed with PC's on bikes that use the W5AM. From what I'm hearing the Rexxer system seems to mimic some of the problems we've observed with the PC. Having said that lots of people are very happy with them even though they seem to all get lousy fuel economy! Go figure???
Pete
wardest Grignapoco
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Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 11:07 pm
Pete Mark Thanks for the feedback
I have been on the Agostini mandello site
Has anyone with deep pockets tried the Agostini cross-over (collector pipe) ? From what I have read this wont fix the different length primaries? Cross over pipe
Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Mon May 12, 2014 11:33 pm
No it won't. Neither will it help the fuelling. As I've explained before a certain amount of physical resistance is necessary in the pipe. Each 90* bend is equivalent to a meter of pipe length. There is a reason Grisos have that loop in the mating piece under the gearbox. It isn't just there to hold the O2 sensor.
Pete
beetle GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: The comprehensive GRiSO exhaust thread.... Tue May 13, 2014 12:23 am
It's pretty but it won't solve the poxy stock mapping issue. If you used one you would need a can with extra pipe like the Mistral Hi-Pipe and be sure to use the dB killer. You might get away with that, but I aint betting the farm.
The assymetrical headers are a thundering nuisance as far as fueling is concerned, but if you were to go symmetrical you would need to move the oil cooler, and I loves me oil cooler where 'tis.
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