Key Code recovery

Back to square one.
Finally got the key cut and took it to the dealership per their instructions, and after trying a few things they informed me that they can't do it.
I now have a $125 set of keys that don't work.
The guy that cut the key for me was unable to clone it, said it wasn't a normal T5, it's a TMIC12, but the internet returned nothing on that.

fmrima wrote:

The guy that cut the key for me was unable to clone it, said it wasn't a normal T5, it's a TMIC12, but the internet returned nothing on that.

Hello.

Well, more exactly TEMIC ... 12

key reference code ZD30T5 company silca
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waterbottle wrote:

I'll look for someone to clone one of my spares then with two keys I should be able to Reset the code - yes ?

Reset code ! ?, no sorry.
This is not possible with 2 clones, each key must have an authentication code and therefore different.
2 cloned key have the same signature, the same authentication code (no good).
The keys work well but .......
You can not with 2 clones obtain the user code (procedure with TDB).
Either we know that the original code 00000 is not modified, or 2 keys recognized by the TDB.

In case of failure or interference transponder, the key can not be recognized TDB will ask the user code to enable start.
If you do not know utilisteur code, impossible to start.
You go on foot or by taxi.  

Ron, which bike is this for? I assume you know the code for your road bike? So is this for the track bike?

Pete

Hi Pete

I believe that the questions do not concern me.
There is confusion.  ?. It is because of my English is bad
I personally know my user ID for the Stelvio.
I do not have a track bike.
I was only just develop questions .

jean cool wrote:

Hi Pete

I believe that the questions do not concern me.
There is confusion.  ?. It is because of my English is bad
I personally know my user ID for the Stelvio.
I do not have a track bike.
I was only just develop questions   .

I don't believe Pete was criticizing you, jean cool.

As for your English ability, no one here or anywhere, wants to hear me speak French.

I found your key chart interesting, as I had not seen that before.  Do you know its source? [Never mind. Just saw your links. Doh. That said, when I tried those, I got malware warnings. Appeared to be phony, but I shut down my browser.] 

I have a friend with a 1200 Sport, who has a similar problem as the OP's.  Did not see it listed.

Bill

No Jean, the query was aimed at Ron, (Waterbittle.) he has two Grisos, one for the road, one for the track. The track bike was a write off with minimal damage but in Oz once a bike is written off it can never be re-registered. I had another frame with no damage, but also from a write off, so Ron has one bike with two keys, (His original road bike.) and the race bike based on the wreck which only has one so he can't do coding stuff.

Pete

Any decent locksmith that can recode car keys should be able to do it.
I have done this a couple of times with my old and newer GRiSO.

That's interesting. I've had the devil of a time finding anyone in Canberra who can, or is willing, to help me with that.

Bill Hagan wrote:

I found your key chart interesting, as I had not seen that before.  Do you know its source?  

I have a friend with a 1200 Sport, who has a similar problem as the OP's.  Did not see it listed.

Bill

Hello
@ Pete Roper
Ron = waterbottle , oups ! ok   .

@ Bill Hagan
What do you mean by "did not see it listed" ..... Menu TDB 

The source (chart) is PDF
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Open the different PDF and see. Motorcycle keys guide (PDF).
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The codes are here, in the Eepron off TDB. for tried found your code user, then to memorize 4 keys.
it takes a large computer control to get there.
But I do not know how to do   .

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that last picture is off the dashboard memory. it will work almost the same with the GRiSO dash. it can be done with the breva/1200 sport dash too. but is a lot of work

PIcture comes from aprlia forum where a guy(techrat) digged in the internals of a 125cc aprillia that has similar dash

mark111 wrote:

Any decent locksmith that can recode car keys should be able to do it.
I have done this a couple of times with my old and newer GRiSO.

Correct. I had this done on my 07 by a car locksmith. Cost me $60.

Similar tale to others but found a solution after speaking with Baldrick (recommended London UK Guzzi specialist) after thinking cloning the key was the only way to go. Tried the usual last 5 numbers of VIN, 00000, 11111, 12345, etc. but he said to me the (now closed) dealer Corsa Italiana Ltd. used to set the user code as per the first owners date of birth minus a zero to make 5 digits. Managed to contact the owner from an old receipt and low and behold it worked so I could program the replacement key!

I purchased a new key, cut and cloned for $30 from AF1.  I had to send them my key but both were back within 2 days.

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Mine asks for the code. Any downside to just leaving it that way. Not worried about theft.

fmrima wrote:

I don't have the code. It's been reset. It's not the last 5 of the VIN and it's not 00000.
The dealership told me to come back after cutting it for programming, I'm hoping they have a master key or can reset the code.

Another possible code to try is the service code, sometimes used as the user code too.

waterbottle wrote:

Success              After a couple of wasted Hours over several days, guessing the code the importer may have used I managed to Snag it
The Key Blanks I bought from AF1 work perfectly too. About $90 oz from memory and $60 to have them cut...................... And then there were Three.....
Whoo Hoo    Dash now recoded to something I can remember ( might get it tattooed somewhere )

Hi, I´m having the same problem.
I bought the bike from a widow with no keys or code. Purchased in the USA a pair of blank keys, had a local locksmith make the combination of the key.
Now is asking for the code as my stelvio ask when I unplug or chage the battery, which I know for the stelvio is 10695.
I checked in the web to find out that for the GRiSO 8v is 12425 but incorret code is displayed.
Any help would be appreciated.

This is going to be a big problem for you I'm afraid. The code it's requesting is not the service code, it is the owner chosen security code.

When the bike/s are new when they are first fired up or until a code is entered on every start up a message will be displayed on the dash saying 'Don't forget to insert your user code'. Obviously on your Stelvio whoever has performed this task has used the Stelvio service code as the security code but on your GRiSO the code entered is obviously something else chosen by the previous owner or the shop that sold the bike. The unfortunate thing is that without knowing that code and having at least one working key you are stuffed and the ONLY way to render the bike useable will be by purchasing a new dash and maybe a complete lock set with keys.

There are two dash functions that allow you to insert your own code, (The code itself is stored in the dash.) The first is the 'Change the code' function which allows you to change it after you have inputted the current, known, code. The other is 'Code Recovery' this will allow you to change the code even if you don't know it but only if you have two keys that are already recognised by the dashboard. Both of these functions though require you to be able to get past the security lock-out to access the dashboard main menu though and to do that you need to have at least one recognised key or the stored user code, neither of which you have.

Quite often people or shops use the last five digits of the VIN number or engine number so it's worth trying those but otherwise, as said above, it will require a new dash and probably lock set with keys, although your blank keys might possibly work, I don't know.

Pete

Thank you Pete.
Your explanation clears everyting.
I got my Stelvio 5 years ago as a second hand bike. So they programmed the users code as the service one and I never had any problems with it, not the case with the GRiSO.
So I either buy a new dashboard or enter 100.000 combinations OMG

Hello Guys,I bought a used 1200 Sport (to keep my GRiSO & Norge company) from a used bike dealer on 9-12-2017 which came with only the "non-deluxe" (the key without the fancy emblem) key.Bought a pair of new keys from AF1 (if remember correctly). My thinking was that the computer on the bike would change the keys to match its requirements.They told me that the chip in the key is what it is & that when you program new keys that what you are actually doing is programming the computer to recognize the different keys.Had to find a locksmith (in Fort Worth,Texas) who had the capability to actually cut the keys (not as nice as the factory cut but they worked) & entered the standard factory service code(only code that I had) for 1200 Sport & then followed the prompts to program three keys, lo & behold they all (3 total now) worked as advertised.Only potential regret is not sending my key down to AF1 to have them do the cutting on the new ones but I was unwilling to send my only key off in the mail because of possible loss somewhere & then having no key at all.It worked for me.