Subject: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:42 am
So my GRiSO has the beetle-map to suit its Termignoni pipe and feels very good on the road.
But it is very thirsty (33mpg english gals) and has a misfire at tickover.
Also the tickover is low 1000 to 1100 and the vaccum readings are not responsive to the air bleed scrws.
So does that sound like the gummed stepper motor issue or can the wise-men in the ghetto suggest any other answers?
Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:36 am
Is it running on one at idle? Does it break down at higher loadings?
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:53 am
it runs on both with the occasional misfire - both cylinder heads stay within 5 degrees of each other.
It also seems fine at high loading. For example yesterday i had my wife on the back we were on the M5 which is quite hilly round here and we were accelerating up the hills through 90mph with no hesitation at all
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Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:33 am
Did you clear the trims when you loaded the map? What is the CO trim set at?
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:50 am
CO trim set at 0 TPS reset and 4.80 reset learning parameters done
I will recheck Co trim tomorrow as i understand if you are too quick it does not take and it used to be at -7 so i reset to 0 when i put the map in
Oz1200Guzzi Don Abbondio
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:58 am
Yes the engine needs to be > 60 degrees C, else it won't set.
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:25 am
well spotted Tony the CO trim only got as far as -6
I will have to wait until the neighbours are out tomorrow to warm it up to 60 and get the CO down to zero.
Then i can see if it will respond to the air bleeds and give a better fuel consumption - in l per 100km I am only getting 8.5litres per 100km at present
Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:52 am
Yeah, definitely something wrong there, it's drowning in fuel!
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:49 am
The first part of the fix was gummed up throttles. Specifically the left air bleed was full of gum so was not adjusting, After re-fittting it was easy to adjust the air bleed and the tickover came up from 1050 to 1180.
However at tickover every 10 seconds or so it stumbles - seems to miss a beat. Could that be caused by a rich CO trim?
Pete Roper GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:54 am
Unlikely. That is usually a result of the throttle stop screw having been played with. That or the linkage rod length.
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:07 am
I am hoping that the throttle stops and linkage rod have not been touched
If they had been beggared about with i would be surprised to be getting close to identical vaccuum values at tickover (as well as on opening and rolling off the throttles.)
BtW It has new plugs (Desmo) leads and caps (NGK)
paulbrice GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:14 pm
Jon, mine used to 'stumble' on idle before rollerisation (revs would briefly dip). That went away after rollerisation (which could be anything but I thought valve clearances sorted) so I'm guessing it was balance/valves etc .... Although it hasn't ever returned enough to call it a 'stumble', I wouldn't say my idle is completely 'regular' so depends how big you call a stumble !
My TB linkages have never been tinkered...I thought vacuum balance is possible even if sacred screw has been turned; 'tinkering' messes up the factory throttle opening setting datum that map (fuelling etc) is built to operate with.
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:33 pm
Well i may put up with the stumbling at idle - it is not enough for the revs to dip - maybe one firing stroke missed, possibly two every 10-15 seconds. It is such a joy to ride that my only concern now is to get the fuel consumption above mid-thirties.
However i understand that may be hard - years ago i had a Spada SP1000 usually did 45mpg but on one 100 mile ride against a friend with a LeMans ii I got 28 mpg:pale: but then again i never lost sight of him
WE reckoned that the primitive fuel pumps on the Dell Orto VHB30s were not designed to be used like that
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:16 am
getting 40mpg = much better - and i think the stumbling at idle may be a poor contact in the side stand switch as it kept moving between 0.7 and 85 ohms even after cleaning - think there is a problem in the wires immediately behind the switch
lcjohnny GRiSO Capo
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Subject: Re: Low tickover & high fuel consumption Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:33 am
updated now 48 mpg (English) Result of fully tuning it with the beetle map & cleaning out the throttle bodies
and finally identifying that the rear brake was dragging - and stopping it