How to get fueling perfection

beetle wrote:

I give up. Adding you to my ignore list. You're a moron.

That's the kind of remark that reflects the level of your intellectual ability.
Faced with the impossibility of demonstrating certain things, it is a basic form of defense when one is not able to accept some of the frustrations in a disproportionate ego.
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Pete Roper wrote:

The fact that yours is broken means that it will not behave like a properly functioning one. The way that all W5AM systems work though is essentially the same.

It doesn't worry me that you wish to believe nonsense. What does worry me though is that you may convince some others who are naive and inexperienced that you know what you are talking about and that could get them into a whole heap of grief. It's not about you snowflake!

For some years you claimed the silliness on the net saying that the failure of the distribution is due to poor maintenance.
While it is doubtful a few certain statements.
I'm being a jerk to you, but it will make your own return analysis.

And the fact that I could detect no problem for years and doubted the veracity of a *Problem* is something that I am eternally regretful for.

Unlike you though I can accept that I was wrong, state that my advice was poor on this subject and move on to help others ho are now suffering and/or unaware of the issue.

As it is though it's obvious that you have been doing some fairly serious research into my past statements, further evidence of your sole desire to troll. Good luck sonny-Jim, your whole message stream since you joined the forum has been lifted from 'Trolling Made Easy'.com. The only person at the moment looking like a goose is you!

Keep going though. It's quite funny in a sad sort of way.

jean cool wrote:

That's the kind of remark that reflects the level of your intellectual ability.
Faced with the impossibility of demonstrating certain things, it is a basic form of defense when one is not able to accept some of the frustrations in a disproportionate ego.
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Tee hee!

Classic troll response.

I've changed my mind. I will continue to call you out on the incorrect information and falsehoods you post. I will use my massive intellect and hugely disproportionate ego to pontificate about everything I know more about than you. Which, I suspect, is everything.

come on kids - this is doing my head in. everyone is entitled to their own opinion - I am entitled to my opinion, you are entitled to your stupid fucken idiotic opinion, for what it's worth... or (J'ai droit à mon avis, vous avez droit à votre stupide idiote fucken avis, pour ce que ça vaut...)

Just sayin' - not picking sides, but CALM THE FUCK DOWN!

No. I will not allow troll-boy to provide false information.

Don't fucken tell me to calm down. Bristle!

Oz1200Guzzi wrote:

come on kids - this is doing my head in. everyone is entitled to their own opinion - I am entitled to my opinion, you are entitled to your stupid fucken idiotic opinion, for what it's worth... or (J'ai droit à mon avis, vous avez droit à votre stupide idiote fucken avis, pour ce que ça vaut...)

Just sayin' - not picking sides, but CALM THE FUCK DOWN!

Google fait un travail impressionnant de dépeçage de la langue française, non?



Bill

no one in particular is aimed at. However, we have seen the evil that emanates from conversations leads to much pissed offedness from all side. Need I remind anyone of that binesnbones in the past?

Just looking out for my friends...

Mais je suis calme moi!
J'ai encore rien dit. lol

For the record, I was in Pete's camp and thought that the flatties were poorly maintained for the most part until my bike shat its tappets, then I reconsidered...

Easy for you to say Tony, because your it being trolled.

How 'bout I let all the trolls and dipshits fill the forum with untruths and nonsense.

Good idea.

End.

I didn't think they tolerated trolls in ghetto's.

Sorry if I offended anyone, twas not my intent.

Fact - everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right or wrong

Fact - everyone on this forum is entitled to express their opinion here, right or wrong

Fact - we do not have to believe what we read here

Fact - we take from here what we want, and leave the rest

Fact - we try and educate others in our truth, be it false or real

Fact - we do not need to react to opinions that do not agree with our - well maybe a bit

Fact - this is a nice place to visit, spend some quality time and learn heaps, in an open and honest environment

the truth is, that whatever the truth is, I personally do not like to see the bickering going on right now. I know what is and what isn't (well mostly) and am not afraid to back down. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one - some founded in truth, some in fallacy.

Simply put, I don't want to see this site degenerate into another "debate" that had many up in arms on this site, me included. I try to take emotion out of the picture and deal with facts. maybe I am being an optimist.

Mark we can discuss this and many other things in a few weeks, and again my apologies. I agree with you!

No, I don't think we will. As I previously wrote, Grisology is a technical forum, so information posted here must be correct, otherwise someone could damage their bike. If someone posted here that adjusting the sacred screw was the only way to balance the TB's and they trolled you for disagreeing with them, would you let it slide? Please don't give me all the kumbaya bullshit.

agreed - done

Good. At Mudgee we shall not speak of this. Presuming you still want me to go.

Alternatively, I will elevate you from First Toady to the FIG, and you can handle all the fuel injection stuff.

Recently I posted a plea for 'perls of wisdom' regarding my GRiSO 8v ECU OBD2 K-Line comms issue as I had spent all day on it without resolution.

One responder after admitting he had no expertise pasted a page of Google hits. My Google-fu is ok, and I had already read all that stuff, but it hadn't helped me resolve my problem.

Beetle replied in one terse line of 13 words and nailed it exactly.

Just sayin .....

Tony, I'm too old for arguing about stuff with people and generally I don't care what people say or do. As Mark has pointed out though the results of giving credence to some sources could result in damage and expense for people if it isn't called out.

What pleasure can be achieved by deliberately trying to mislead people I don't know? But then I don't understand a mindset that would deliberately allow their engine to destroy itself rather than fixing it before damage becomes terminal!

Youse are right, me stick tongue in wrong place. Topic closed for me.

Yes you must come Mark, and bring Pete wiv you. First toady is good 'nuff for me. (bows out gracefully - well it is me, so grace may not be part of it)

Pete Roper wrote:

What pleasure can be achieved by deliberately trying to mislead people I don't know? But then I don't understand a mindset that would deliberately allow their engine to destroy itself rather than fixing it before damage becomes terminal!

Hello guys.

Hello
Firstly, I regret that the discussion on the technical subject is completely degraded by inappropriate remarks.
Because it's very interesting.
Then I'm not a troll.
And I think that even if we make mistakes in reasoning, should not suffer offenses of other members.
A correction diplomatically would be appreciated.

The knowledge of some of you are recognized, and I myself loved your comments in many of your posts.
What I will not tolerate, they are condescending and about the high regard of certain person.
I make many mistakes throughout my life, but I draw the consequences and learn to be tolerant with respect to others.

So I would say Pete Roper, I know that your experience is great, you are a recognized professional.
But there is something that you can not understand.
The life of another person can give another form of reasoning in relation to specific decisions to his motorcycle.
Vulgarly, My world is not yours.
I respect your choice and your life, I have nothing to say.
And everyone assumes his choice.
This is not a reason to make insulting or degrading to others.
Too bad openness here do not match my expectations.

This is my last post on GRiSO ghettos.
Too complicated for me to speak and understand English

Good luck to everyone

Wow I'm late to the party. Reading over at the start mentioned is that losing the trims is a problem, well with the 5am eeprom reader you can read out the trim and put it back in if wanted.

The 100 seconds warmup time was an error in the xdf. actually it counts revolutions after start, and these are 4000 in most maps.

That was in 15m maps

This project was started pre eeprom reader.

So the trim values are stored in EEPROM and readable by EEPROMTOOL?
Thats a good info.
Here is older discussion about eepromtool [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
But I wasnt sure about trim values.
Now when I will be using "How to get fueling perfection" solution I can create some backup of trim values - whole EEPROM.

Had hi idle issue for who knows what reason yesterday. Still had a tweak of map planned so thought I'd load, reset everything and see if that did the trick. It didn't but while cabledd up I thought I'd try the wideband trickery since all the wideband kit was already onboard. Slightly different arrangement to beetle but same outcome. I have the innovate MTXL kit which has the controller integrated into the guage. Nice as it can output either 0-5 v or 0.1-1.1v. Recalibrated output to mid to high 12 afr settings, turned on Lambda and fired up. With gauge on the dash it was good to watch it do its stuff today - not much for first 30k's then steadily the AFR in a troublesome high spot I still had came back into control range of high 12's just as it was supposed to. I actually expected some hunting once lambda was back on but all seems very good. Much softer from bottom stop as well. Will do some longer runs at higher revs tomorrow - hoping lambda control backs out so I can get the slightly leaner running for cruise to retain economy & range.
Hi idle still there so will try carby clean job on stepper too.